Pro Choice or Pro Life

[-(aaK)- Nav]

The following is two veiws are from two of me mates on MSN. Forgive spelling, they are morons at literacy, but they still placed corresponding, contrasting arguments

Well I think that it should be up to the parents of the child due to the fact that if they don't want this kid there not going to take care of it and its going to grow up wrong (Most likely). Ya so what give it up for adoption. < Ya lets do that. I have so meny freinds that are adopted and they need help cooping with life every day whether it be pot or other thing as such. Plus there are so meny kids that we don't have homes to put them in Orfiniges where they live most of there life (ya thats what will do stick them in a home.) HA! I realy don't think thats where they want to be. Oh ya and the whole thing about being "alive" the only thing alive is the cells and every thing has cells so think about that next time you kill a fly or step on the grass. There brain do not start working till around the 3 trimester and after that I think its wrong but up till the 3 trimester it should be Leagal.

Pro-Life because you are essentially killing a human being by aborting it. If you don't want the baby, go through with the birth and put the child up for adoption. Other than that, don't have sex and get pregnant. I understand that people make mistake and have even been forced into sex but that is no reason to cancel a human life that could have possibly been a civil rights leader or a scientist.

Let the discussion begin.

[Buzz]

[glow=red,2,300]Pro Life or Choice hmmm
how about this, if your girl friend/wife was raped and was made pregnant by the rapist and she decided to abort would you disagree?[/glow]

[-(aaK)- Neil Faz]

I reckon it should be completely up to the parents..or woman if shes on her own in it. Wether that be abortion.....having it put into care..or keeping it....

[-(aaK)- Nav]

I beleive a balance should be struck personally. With the new informtaion that Featus' exhibit more living qualities than thought before, a limit should be placed on the legal age of abortion. It should certainly be less than it is now. I beleive it is a choice that is ultimately hard, and leeway for time must be given, but should the featus have a conciousness, and you terminate that consiousness... I find myself at a problematic place. There can be many reasons for abortion, and sometimes, even with the time given, a decision may be hard... Mmm, I conflict with my own veiws...

[Buzz]

[glow=red,2,300]Still with us being guys it's one decision, one of the hardest I think, that we will never know[/glow]

[-(aaK)- Pascalsys]

I am definatly pro choice , After my own experiance ( i know its spelt wrong its the drink ) , We decided that we could not give it what it needed (Stable home ,etc ) . We have talked about it in the past and still do now ( yes we are still together ) . It was still for the best . Choice is one of the only freedoms we have now , So please do not judge . Remeber YOU may change views in the future .

[-(aaK)- zZzTheAngel]

I have no problem with abortion. Obliviously not getting pregnant in the first place is preferable. But mistakes are made and bad things happen. I feel abortion would be preferable than an unwanted child.

I think the key issue here is do you feel the baby is a human being from the moment of conception or is it just a lump of cells until much later. If you feel that the baby is a human being from the moment of conception then i cant see how you could agree with abortion but if you like me don’t feel it is truly a human being until much later in the pregnancy then i cant see a problem with it.

Its a nasty issue and more effort should be done to avoid people getting into this situation but ultimatly i belive it is acceptable.

[WarGod]

I disagree Z, of course it is human from the moment of conception, it contains human DNA.

However, I do agree it is a hard choice to make whether we should take a life before it is born. And, if you accept that it is human from the start, like i do, then you must be prepared to accept that you are going to take a human life, no matter how old it is.

But, i believe that abortion is benificial in some ways, in the bigger picture it avoids a generation of children running riot with nothing better to do then trash things. (Although i understand it's very stereotypical of me to say that i still believe it to be true).

And in answer to Buzz's question, yes i would want to push for an abortion. I would not be able to love the child (even knowing that the child him/herself is innocent).

I, personally would not want to raise a child without being able to love him/her in some way. Not only would it not be fair to myself, but it is't fair to the child.

[Buzz]

[glow=red,2,300]There have been numerous cases though where the woman has gone on to have her attackers child and loved it just as much as if she had concieved it with a partner/husband, with a child its not from who its created but the love it recieves[/glow]

[WarGod]

That's a good point buzz, and what I'm saying is it would'nt be able to recieve love from me, i know that sounds weird but from where i stand at the moment thats how i would feel.

However, i have'nt experienced this at all (which i hope i don't have to). And even though i say this now, my opinion might be changed if i ever had to go through this.

[Icarion]

The argument isnt whether an embryo is human, cos of course it is. The argument is whether it counts as a Person yet. I find it a very difficult thing to answer, as a fetus develops a brain reasonably early on in development. And a brain is the basic requirement for personhood. That said, I dont think an embryo or fetus should be allowed to jeopardise the life and happiness of the mother, another Person, who is clearly more developed, and has already establised their place in the world.

[WarGod]

I don't think it's about whether it's a person or not icarion, i think it's about whether you can cope with taking a human life. Because that is what you would be doing.

When you look at it like that there is obvious reason for moral objection. But in the bigger picture I think in some cases it can be benificial, as i mentioned in a previous post.

[Icarion]

""I don't think it's about whether it's a person or not icarion, i think it's about whether you can cope with taking a human life. Because that is what you would be doing. ""

Thats true, but in most cases where a woman is considering abortion, it is because the feels a baby would literally ruin her life. Not inconvenience her plans, but totally alter her life for the worse. And if she cant afford to have a baby, thats just one more thing to cope with. And then yyou have to balance two lives, the baby and the mother. And personally i feel if when its born the fetus will have a bad life, and the mother will have a bad life, then abortion is a good idea. You ARE choosing between 2 human lives, but one of those has already established its life and is a fully rounded person, with a personality, and wants and desires. A fetus is still just a potential person, so I feel the mother take priority.

(Oh and as an aside, I think the term 'Pro Life' is ridiculous. The terms should be pro abortion or anti abortion, as it is abortion you#re talking about, not 'Life' in general. The Pro Life term was invented by people who wanted to make peo choice people also seem anti-life. And thats ridiculous!)

[KyWish]

I say leave it up to the mother to deside what is right, not anyone else. If she decides that abortion is right, fine. If not, fine, someong can adopt a child. *shrug*

[testa]

what about the child, the child is dead before its even born. what happens if the aborted kiddy is the next einstien the next PM the inventer for the cure for cancer your future father or mother

f00k abortion