Concepts of fate

[Rik-[FD]]

Ahhh but once you have agreed that you can predict what a person's reaction to something will be based on all those things, then you must also agree that everything acts like that (for instance, a bee doesn't sting for no reason) and so, as long as you have the necessary computing power, it is possible to predict everything. The only problem comes in when you start letting people see the predictions cause then you start having to factor in their reactions to it and you end up in a never ending loop. But that still doesn't mean that a computer cannot be programmed to make the predictions in the first place....just that no bugger can see it.

[WarGod]

True, but are you telling me you can predict when and how a tree will leave?...What if in the place of a bee sting a leaf hit you in the face...?

Even if you could predict what a tree could do, it might not be the trees choice ;D to detatch a leaf, it might be through the weather.

I still don't believe that you could account for ALL the surroundings. Meaning that if predicting what a person will do is possible it wouldn't be 100% accurate. (This is just my opinion now rather then an attempt to spur debate).

[Rik-[FD]]

No, I respect your opinion but yes, I do believe it is possible to say without a doubt when a tree will drop a leaf and what path it will follow as long as you know everything that you need to know. It sounds like you conceed that point but you believe that although it is possible, it will never happen because of the complexity of it (please correct me if I'm wrong there).

Although I will admit that knowing enough to be able to make those sort of predictions seems impossible at the moment but there again, so did flight and then travelling into space and who would have believed that 30 years after the first moon landing, people would be sitting at home using more computing power than they had on that first moon landing mission (or the first shuttle flight for that matter) to type inane comments like this.

However (and I think this might kind of start a new topic), I do believe that our progress towards our scientific goals has slowed down in the past 30 years due to all sorts of things and I think that's a shame. Consider for instance, how far we came during World War II and the Cold War....scientific boundries being pushed every day - if only we could have that sort of support for science during "peace" time, imagine where we could be in 30 years from now.

[WarGod]

Rik said:

It sounds like you conceed that point but you believe that although it is possible, it will never happen because of the complexity of it (please correct me if I'm wrong there).

Yes you are sort of right there...you have certainly swayed my opinion somewhat. (Be proud of that)

I do now agree that it could be possible in the future to predict what people will do, if you know all you need (if we have advanced enough) where as I never used to. I just don't think it could ever be fully accurate........

And what you said about advancement in the last 30 years, that's a very good point. Personally, I reckon it's all down to money. There is not enough funding nowadays for researching into technological advancements and medical improvements.

For people like Newton you wouldn't have needed much money to find out what he did because it was the foundation of things. Not much money is really needed to work out what gravity does for example.

Also, because of the way the countries that have the resources to advance further are; most technological advances are and would be used as a way to make money. This then ruins it's potential.

[Rik-[FD]]

I don't think it always ruins its potential but it certainly does sometimes.

For example:

Although there seemed to be a big decrease in research spending in years gone by (especially in the space field), it seems to be going back up again especially with private investment in that area. Personally, I believe that space exploration/research are essential (after all, even if we don't blow ourselves up or get hit by a comet/meteor, the sun will not last forever), and I think the more time we spend exploring other planets/star systems, the more we will know about the way everything works. To that end, I welcome the things that people like Richard Branson are doing because until space comes to the masses, noone is going to spend masses of money on it.

[-(aaK)- Pascalsys]

Just moving away from the subject slightly i believe we should spend money not on space ( although i REALLY want to know) but noone has gone to the deepest depths of the ocean yet. Why travel through space when all the answers could lie at the bottom of our ocean ?? The main question i am getting at is why have we NOT done this already when we can hurtle man millions of miles into space ?? Any way that is for a different thread SRY

[Rik-[FD]]

I think that follows from the direction the conversation is taking Carl.

To answer what you are saying I point back to my post (and kinda swing the thread back to its original topic) and say we already know the fate of the Earth. It will be destroyed. Ok, so we don't know exactly when but it will happen (I think the first time I read about it when I was much younger, the estimate was about 3 million years till the sun goes supernova).

While I do feel that exploring what's left of the Earth is important (and would probably help us explore space), space exploration is far more important. The survival of the human race depends on it. While I do admit that we have a long time to do it in, I still worry that by the time we get round to doing it whole heartedly, its going to be too late. Yes, none of us will be around to see it but how long will people use that as an excuse? Probably about 3 million years I would guess lol.

[WarGod]

Not only that, but there is a strong posibility that the Earth's magnetic poles which change. This will cause the magnetic field around Earth to become useless for a while, meaning the Earth is open to the full effect of solar flares.

I think it's thousands of years or hundreds of thousands (can't remember when). But the Earth is going to become uninhabitable before the Sun "blows up", giving us even less time.

....just a cheerfull note really

[-(aaK)-grimreaper]

ok who reopened this topic i sealed it a 100000000000000000 years ago and dont make me get medevil on ya lmao

[BlueDragon]

true earth will be destroyed in about that time Rik...

or we can biologically say we wont survive the next 125.000 years, cause the Telomeres of your DNA will disappear in that time (slightly disappears with every new generation).

But i REALLY think we shouldn't worry about this...iam pretty sure mankind will manage it to extinct itself before that ;D

[Spirit]

[glow=red,2,300]now theres an optimistic thought, ty blue lol :-Xalthough the way we are going, yes we will i agree [/glow]

[-(aaK)- Neil Faz]

I think it's fate that this topic cannot die. Every now and then it rears its ugly head(like xeno) and helps to get someone pissed off

[Spirit]

[glow=red,2,300]
and tis your fate to die a long and painful death at the hands of Blue.....need i say more? [/glow]

[-(aaK)- Neil Faz]

Slow and painful.... ooh stop. Im getting turned on.

[Spirit]

[glow=red,2,300]doesnt take much does it [/glow]