Evolution and Religion

[KyWish]

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[-(aaK)- zZzTheAngel]

KyWish said:

Hey, It worked! I got a slew of pointless paragraphs ^-^.
And sciance has already disproved it because there is no proof you git . Only stories.
My view is quite clear and I have the eyes wide open to see it. Not only is it logically educated, but I have the right to express it (aka. 'badmouth'), so whether your belif tells you or not YOU are wrong. Have a nice day

"is it logically educated"
Logic can be used to prove god Kywish. Thousands of years ago people believed in a higher power and they still do now despite the wonders of modern science. Is it not therefore logical that there must be some truth behiend GOD?
Most things can be used in lots of different ways Kywish
Kywish the simple fact of the matter you cannot disprove GOD and i think if you ask any scientist they will (possibly grudingly) admit that there is no way to disprove GOD. As such Kywish you are the one that is wrong! AND it really is as simple as that trying to say that god is 100% not true is stupid and makes you look stupid! If i was feeling mean i might say your all (bad) mouth and no brains LOL!
Once again there is no problem with people not beliving in god just like some scienentists belive in string theory and others dont!
All us belivers can do is accept your view and be willing to offer you a helping hand if you should ever need it. Other than that i feel i must leave you to do what you feel is right

[WarGod]

Sorry if this seems random, cos i can see there is a bit of a debate goin on between two people at the mo. I also want to apologise if i offend anyone because that's the last thing i want to do. Also, please note that i have been carefull not to accuse anyone in particular of anything.

I just want to say a few things in the hope it might get some people thinking

I don't think that religion is "wrong" as such because it does give people what they need to keep going in some cases.

What i am against is any religion that encourages its followers to harm/kill themselves or others for their religion. Now, i don't want to seem prejudice or offensive by saying this but usually these religions are linked with or basically are terrorists. (I do have a vague idea what I'm talking about here) In UK law, terroism is defined as harm to people, promoting a political, RELIGIOUS or idealistic veiw.

Any religion that promises greatness, or etc through violence is wrong and only generates hate of many kinds. The groups of people that follow this type of "religion" are usually the types of people that put a gun in a childs hand and teach them that it's an honour to die, before they are even taught to read.

The above is really the only thing i have against some religion.

Also, for people that question religion. I believe in evolution and etc, and i firmly believe that we did in fact evolve from monkeys, or a similar type of animal.

But, who's to say their isn't a God/Goddess/many God's that created the universe in the first place, then just let what they'd created run free, then eventually we evolved into what we are now. There are endless theories to consider how this universe was created. Scientists may have been able to proove how THIS PLANET was formed with the big bang theory but nothing from this planet has gone far enough away to find out much from the universe.

As far as i know, no one from Earth knows how the universe came about, and if you think about it, all religions can be to some people are just another theory about how things were made.

Religions are many things to many different people. Religion can be a provider of rules/morals/ethics, a way of life, an answer to questions like "how were certain things created?"

When it comes down to it, whether you believe in a religion or not, no human knows the answers, it's all down to personal belief.

Although some things may have been proved, it does'nt mean that God or whatever you believe isnt their. You don't know that they didn't tamper with some things in our world to make you think there are other possibilities.

It does'nt matter what people belive, what does matter is that people are'nt persecuted or persecute for it. People should be left alone with their beliefs. And by the same token, people should leave others alone if their beliefs differ.

[KyWish]

-(aaK)- said:

"is it logically educated"
Logic can be used to prove god Kywish. Thousands of years ago people believed in a higher power and they still do now despite the wonders of modern science. Is it not therefore logical that there must be some truth behiend GOD?
Most things can be used in lots of different ways Kywish
Kywish the simple fact of the matter you cannot disprove GOD and i think if you ask any scientist they will (possibly grudingly) admit that there is no way to disprove GOD. As such Kywish you are the one that is wrong! AND it really is as simple as that trying to say that god is 100% not true is stupid and makes you look stupid! If i was feeling mean i might say your all (bad) mouth and no brains LOL!
Once again there is no problem with people not beliving in god just like some scienentists belive in string theory and others dont!
All us belivers can do is accept your view and be willing to offer you a helping hand if you should ever need it. Other than that i feel i must leave you to do what you feel is right

If I am wrong, then why are you the minority here? Daft,lol.

[-(aaK)- zZzTheAngel]

Good post War God very sensible and well written.

"What i am against is any religion that encourages its followers to harm/kill themselves or others for their religion. Now, i don't want to seem prejudice or offensive by saying this but usually these religions are linked with or basically are terrorists. (I do have a vague idea what I'm talking about here) In UK law, terroism is defined as harm to people, promoting a political, RELIGIOUS or idealistic veiw. "

I can totally agree with you there. What you need to remember though is that it is a minority of extremists with most the people with the same relgion saying they shouldnt be doing it.

Kywish i may be the only christian here BUT i am not the only person here that says god could exist. I think most people would agree that it is possible for god to exist they just dont think he does lol.

[WarGod]

Yea, i will keep the fact that they are the minority in mind.

And although you arnt directly debating with me, i agree with what you said about people not religious, but also not dismissing god entirely. I mean there could well be a God just as easily as there not being a God.

Who knows, there might be hundreds...........

[Icarion]

Ooh, a debate! Ky, I think you're being overly harsh. But Z, I disagree with you as well. Ky's just badmouthing religion in general, and picking a very antagonistic way of doing it. But here's my response to the both of you.

Z, I'm afraid the argument that people have always believed in God so a God must exist is flawed. until a point, everyone believed that the earth was flat and at the centre of the universe, but that didnt make it true.

As for proof, I dont feel that scientists should have to prove God doesnt exist. If you are standing in an empty room, and someone claims there is an invisible table there, then you would expect that the person making the claim should prove that there is. Its impossible for anyone else to prove that there isnt, we just have to assume there isnt until more evidence for the table comes along. Its the same with religion. I think the onus should be on the believers to prove that God exists, and also to prove that it's THEIR God, as opposed to the god of another religion.

On the topic of evolution, I know several Christians who accept that evolution is true, but believe God started the process, and guided it along. Thats fine by me, because they're not trying to deny accepted scientific fact. Incorporating facts into a belief system is obviously a good thing, as its hard to base a religion around something people know to be false.

The whole premise of religion is based upon the fundamental fact that no-one can prove or disprove it. Religions run only on belief, and beliefs can hold up even to the strongest bombardment of reason and factual information.

In the end, I cant understand why people believe in any religion, but I will only criticise the violent aspects of religion. If someone believes in a religion that preaches peace, love and tolerance, and actually acts upon those virtues, then more power to them! The same with atheists who are loving and tolerant. You dont need a belief system like religion to make you a good person, but if people find it helps, then fair enough. I wont attack them, although I will of course attempt to persuade them round to my way of thinking

[KyWish]

Rawr ^-^

[-(aaK)- zZzTheAngel]

Icarion
"Z, I'm afraid the argument that people have always believed in God so a God must exist is flawed. until a point, everyone believed that the earth was flat and at the centre of the universe, but that didnt make it true. "
To right lol dont know quite why i posted that i think i was just trying to make a point but you are rights its a flawed argument i feel kinda stupid for posting it lol

"I think the onus should be on the believers to prove that God exists, and also to prove that it's THEIR God, as opposed to the god of another religion."

The problem with saying that, is relgion is based on Faith that God exists without any need for proof. Of course if you are trying to find proof of gods existence then your faith is weak.

And once again you are talking about the violent aspects of relgion! That gets soooooo old! Its not relgions failings that lead to violence it is the failure of Men themselves. It is evil men that use relgion to try and justify there actions and try and rally more people to there cause.
I think you will find that every large relgion on the planet preachs peace. Everyones locked on things like the crusades they were a long time ago during a time when the world was more primitive and bloody. Relgions have evloved with the rest of the world.
This issue of relgions being violent/having violent aspects annoys the hell out of me. Its like me saying i dislike the violent aspects of athesits. There are some people that belive in god that are violent but there are also those that dont belive in god that are violent. Relgion is not the cause of violents its the people themselves and there own failings that cause trouble.

[WarGod]

I think Z has a point Icarion, the basis for a religion is belief. As long as you're serious about your religion, then that's all you really need is to believe.

(Sry if I'm repeating what's allready been said)

[Icarion]

"The problem with saying that, is relgion is based on Faith that God exists without any need for proof. Of course if you are trying to find proof of gods existence then your faith is weak. "

Of course it is! The point of all religions is belief without proof, and I did mention this in my post. Its just that Z previously posted that science cant disprove religion. So you cant have it both ways. Either you accept that religion is based totally on belief and not facts, or you stop challenging scientists to disprove it. You cant claim both.

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